TO
DATE,
ALL,
SDA PASTORS, TEACHERS AND LEADERS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION,
WHO HAVE STUDIED THIS WEB SITE, THAT
I HAVE TALKED TO PERSONALLY, DO NOT BELIEVE ELLEN WHITE IS AS INSPIRED
AS ANY OTHER BIBLE WRITER. THEY NO LONGER BELIEVE IN 1844 OR THE
INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT AS THE CHURCH STILL TEACHES. THEY DO NOT WANT
THEIR NAMES OR THEIR ANSWERS PUT ON THIS SITE.
THEY SAY,
BECAUSE THEY NEED THEIR JOBS AND WANT THEIR RETIREMENT. SAD,
IT'S NOW ALL ABOUT MONEY!
If
you are a
pastor, a
teacher,
or a conference leader.
Please email me, tell me it is not true! To read responses so far
click here; If you, as a member, get a response please forward it to me. Thanks a
lot. Ron
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INTRODUCTION
My
name is Ronald Robert Parmele. I’m 69 years old. I am not a
Preacher, Teacher or Prophet. I’m just an, imperfect, old warn out
guy who loves the Adventist people. I was raised a fourth Generation
Seventh Day Adventist, on both sides of my family. I only went to
Adventist schools. I managed Academy Industries for nearly ten
years. I was baptized into the truth,
was schooled in the
truth, married in the
truth,
schooled my four children in the truth.
I planned to die in the
truth, so help me God. I was kicked
out of the truth
at the Hillsboro, Oregon, Seventh Day Adventist church
in 1982, because they no longer believed
I was in the
truth.
I loved Ellen White. I had been at her home in Battle
Creek.
I was in the upstairs bedroom where I was told, by
the guide that her angel had stood, right there by that table, and
guided her hand as she wrote
The Great Controversy
because she only had a 3rd grade education.
I have
been at Ellen White's home near Pacific Union College (where my
daughter was going to college to become a bible-worker).
I saw where they rolled Ellen White out on the balcony in her wheel
chair so she could get the sunshine before she died.
I went to the graveyard in Battle Creek to see where
the White family had been buried.
To me it was holy ground. I
gloried in it all.
We were the Remnant Church,
God's Chosen People. All other churches were Babylon. I was so
proud. We had the Seal of God (Sabbath)
and the Testimonies of Jesus (Ellen White). We had the "Truth".
I had seen the homestead
of my great grandfather near Battle Creek. I saw Cedar Lake Academy
where my mothers father had gone to school. I even saw the two story
outhouse.
WILLIS HOMESTEAD 1800'S
FIRST CEDAR LAKE ACADEMY
BUILDING AND THE TWO STORY OUTHOUSE. IT WAS FOR TWO STORY APARTMENTS
The old Battle Creek
Sanitarium,
then a government building of some kind.
A Sword of Fire Hung
over Battle Creek;
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw71.htm
SDA ACTIONS AGAINST KELLOGG;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6434097767490329654&q=&h
It takes about 5 minutes into the
video to get to the Kellogg story. It's worth the wait! After
listening to all the EGW statements please name the specific errors,
that she claims Kellogg made in writing the book, and which changes
he had to correct. The story Kellogg uses about the boot to
illustrate the tree as prove that God made the tree with seeds to
grow other trees seems a good one to me.
Interview between Elder G. W. Amadon, Elder A. C. Bourdeau, and Dr.
John Harvey Kellogg;
http://www.ex-sda.com/john.htm
I had taken a tour of the
Kellogg Cereal factory, I went to the Dime Tabernacle church and
Camp-meeting at Lansing Michgan where I met the remaining members of
my Adventist grandfather's Willis family (my mothers father).
I was truly blessed to have had such a great heritage. I was at
peace.
If only
I had not started to study!
I know many of you are going to
think I'm bitter, over my past relationship, with the church. I'm not! I
had the best parents in the world. I loved everyone of my teachers, I
loved my Academy years. My classmates are the dearest friends I have. I
love my heritage. I would not have taken the time to write about it on
this site if I was not proud of it. I know that they all believed we
were in the only true church. But, I had to know for sure. I was afraid
at first. I had heard and read all the condemnation that Ellen White and
the church leaders heaped on all those that dared to question them or
Ellen White. I had studied religion all of my life, it left me high and
dry. I wasn't happy, I wasn't sure I'd be saved. If Adventism wasn't
right nothing else was. If you feel that way. Please before you go any
farther watch at least one of these videos; I like this guy!
1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= Why I hate religion
- Mark Driscoll
2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
Mark Driscoll is Evil
3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= Burn Thomas Kinkade
paintings
4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= State of the Pulpit
- Joel Osteen
5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
Mark Driscoll on Denominations
You may want to read what an
ex-SDA chaplain serving on active duty with the
United States military had to say about his love for the people within
the church. When I read his story I got tears in my eyes. His heart is
not unlike mine;
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/testimonydd.htm
It took 28 years to gain the nerve to publish this material. I'm an old
man now and time is running out, I don't have another 28 years. You need
to know Christ is coming soon. You need to know that God loves you, that
His promises are sure.
I didn't know how to study any other way than to start with
the writings of Ellen White and the church so I bought nearly all
her books, the small thick Spiritual Gifts books, Early Writings,
all nine of her Testimonies', a full set of the conflict series, a
lot of the compilations of her books and a full set of the
Commentaries. I had all three of her Great Controversy books. It
began to bother me that she had changed them. Why would she need to
if her angel was by her side guiding her hand as she wrote? I
found an old copy of D.M.Canrights book you can get it online free
here;
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/canright/egw16.htm
I
now knew which historical documents, to ask the White Estates for.
After I told them I was willing to take them to court to get them,
they started sending me a few. One day I got a call from a Mr.
Olson,
(not the Mr. Olson of
the White Estates). This
guy was not an Adventist. He told me, as a young man,
Ballenger (a former SDA pastor who had questioned the
Investigative Judgment) and he were good friends. Ballenger's wife had
given him Ballenger's files after he died. He said, the White
Estates had wanted to buy them for years, but he would never sell
them to the White Estates because they would destroy them. He was 81
years old, at the time he called me. Someone from the White Estates
had to have told him I was looking for old documents and that I may
want to buy them. I asked if someone from White Estates had told
him, he said yes but wouldn't tell me who it was.
He
sold me the
Ballenger
files. They contained a lot of
old letters and the earliest Ellen White booklets etc. I read them
all night long for a week. You can get them all, word for word, on
the internet now for free at;
www.ellenwhiteexposed.com
It would be a mistake for you to make these sites, or the people who
have put them up the problem. It's the documentation that they
present that needs to be questioned and answered by the
church. That's the purpose of this site. You, as members, need to
understand what to ask of your leaders. What makes this site
different is the fact that I have written my reasons for asking the
questions. You need your own reasons.
After reading all
the documentation and all the early booklets she wrote, I now knew
the changes they made in her writings and all the failed prophecies
she had made. I also understood why the church was hiding them.
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/secrets2.htm
After
listening to a tape of an Adventist form meeting, (about
EGW's copying)
given by Walter Rea at San Diego, which a church member had given me. I went to see
Walter Rae, at Walla Walla College one weekend. At the last minute
the college was told not to let him speak, so a public school was
rented and all the students and most of the faculty went over there.
I later was able to buy a set of nine cassette tapes of the meeting
he had with the General Conf. Committee that met with him to see his
evidence that Ellen White copied, they already knew she did, but not
to the extent Walter had found. Why had they not told us?
They voted that Walter Rae be given a leave of
absence from his church to study the "Desire of Ages" and to put his
work on the "Great Controversy" into a more professional form and
someone be hired to help him. They voted to no longer hide it under
the carpet but make it known to the members. That did not happen.
Walter was fired.
The man they hired to study the "Desire Of Ages" was
Fred Veltman, they thought they could control him so the outcome
would show that Ellen White didn't copy that book. You need to
decide for yourself by reading the report. Go to;
http://www.truthorfables.com/Desire_of_Ages_Veltman.htm
So what
happen to Walter Rae?
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/rea/letter.htm
Did he
put his study in a more professional form?
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw17.htm
"The Truth About
The White Lie" by
Ellen G.
White Estate First published August 1982. Revised January 1999.
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/whitelie.html
Pastors can't agree;
Samuele
Bacchiocchi, Ph. D. Retired Professor of Theology, Andrews
University;
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/endtimeissues/eti_88.html
We had been taught that all of her prophecies had
come true, or soon would, that she had written all of her books as
her angel guided her hand. That her helpers only corrected her
spelling and punctuation. I needed answers.
About
this time the Dr. Davenport 29 million dollar bankruptcy against the
church was going on. My accountant worked for the firm that audited
the North Pacific Union's books each year. He showed me what
was going on from the 1980 Financial statement. They had been hiding
click on; "THE DAVENPORT
LOANS"
as an asset in the "Agency and Demand Fund". Also the Oregon
Conference Attorney was a member of the Gaston church and a friend
of mine. He told me that 1/2 million dollars from the "Tithe
Reserve Fund" had been used in building the new Oregon
Conference office building. They had loaned Davenport the building
fund with the promise he would pay it back when they needed it. He
went bankrupt before he paid it back so they had to use the tithe
reserve fund to pay the bills and keep building. They simply
exchanged the Tithe fund for a non-tithe fund and gave it to
Davenport claiming no tithe funds were used. The money had not been
paid back at the time they were saying no tithe funds had been used.
I had gotten a list of all the people who had invested in Dr.
Davenport and the huge percentages they had been repaid for their
personal investments. It read like a Who's Who in Adventist
Leadership clear up to the General Conference President. For more on
the aftermath go here;
http://www.advmca.org/articles/Exchange%20with%20GC.htm
You
can read the manuscript of a book, written by Walter Rea about it.
The book was never published as part of a deal made with Walter Rae
to get his retirement - I believe. Walter sent me a copy of
the manuscript, which was later lost in the mail after 9/11. The
book was called; "Pirates of Privilege" you can read a poorly
scanned copy of it now on the internet for free at:
http://www.bible.ca/7-pirates-of-privilege.htm
My faith in God's
Chosen People was fast passing. I needed answers.
When Desmond Ford was fired for not believing in the Investigative
Judgment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_View_controversy
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw53.htm
http://members.aol.com/LarryPahl/part7.htm
To understand what was going on at the time listen to the videos of
Walter Rae and Desmond Ford being interviewed on the
The John
Ankerberg Show
at;
http://www.exadventist.com/Home/Video/tabid/502/Default.aspx
I
had watched this at the time.
I needed answers.
All we were getting from, The Leadership,
was God told Ellen White which stuff to copy and no tithe funds were
taken and we needed to pay a double tithe for a few years.
To read
an OUTSIDERS view of what was going on;
Monday, Aug. 02, 1982
The Church of Liberal Borrowings
By Richard N. Ostling
Plagiarism and fraud charges rock the Seventh-day Adventists
The 3.8 million-member Seventh-day Adventist Church is
normally the most doctrinally placid and prosperous of
faiths. Lately, however, it has fallen into unaccustomed
uproar. For starters, church members are suing Adventist
officials in an Oregon court for fraud and breach of
fiduciary trust, stemming from the 1981 bankruptcy of fellow
Adventist Donald Davenport, a Los Angeles developer. The
suit charges that without adequately checking Davenport out,
Adventist clergy blithely invested church trust funds with
him and urged church members to make their own investments.
As his empire collapsed, Davenport supposedly used newly
raised moneys to cover payments due to previous investors.
In the end, church agencies dropped a cool $21 million, and
individual Adventists may be out as much as $20 million in
the debacle. On top of this, the church has been hit by a
second scandal: the charge that the theological writings of
its most important figure, which rank second only to the
Bible, may have been plagiarized from other authors.
Of the two scandals, the second could
prove the costlier, as it calls into question the integrity
of the church's teachings. Prophet Ellen G. White
(1827-1915) rallied the group that became known as the
Adventists following the "Great Disappointment" of Oct. 22,
1844, the date when thousands of Protestants expected the
Second Coming (or Advent) of Jesus Christ to occur. When it
did not, White, a "messenger" of God and interpreter of the
Bible, said she received a vision explaining that on Oct. 22
Christ had entered a new "sanctuary" in heaven to begin "the
investigative judgment" of the lives and works of believers.
Then White reported a second vision that confirmed the
necessity of Saturday worship (hence the name Seventh-day
Adventists). Followers came to regard White's numerous
visions and books as divinely inspired interpretations of
the Bible, as well as a guide to proper views on everything
from vegetarianism (pro) to Darwinism (con).
Now a growing number of Adventists are
having their doubts about White's teachings. In the late
1970s, Desmond Ford, a prominent Australian theologian who
was teaching at the church-run Pacific Union College in
California, made the case that White's "sanctuary"
explication of 1844 no longer stood up in the light of the
Bible, and that "the investigative judgment" undercut the whole
basis of Protestantism: belief in salvation by God's grace
apart from good works. This prompted the founding of a
dissident bimonthly, Evangelica, based in Napa, Calif.
Before long, the church forced the resignation or expulsion,
by one count, of 120 Adventist clergy and teachers. Ford was
defrocked in 1980.
Ford's challenge was mild, however,
compared with the bombshell dropped by Walter T. Rea of
Patterson, Calif. A veteran pastor, Rea, in the course of
Ph.D. research, stumbled across some long-buried writings by
forgotten divines that matched huge swatches of Prophet
White's books. Accusations of this general nature had arisen
before but had been argued away by Adventist officials. Rea was the first to
document the vast scale of such borrowing (from 75 assorted
books on history, doctrine and the Bible). Last April, Rea
issued his full findings in a bitter book titled The White
Lie. In it he concludes that the "plagiarism" undermines
belief not only in the prophet's divine inspiration but also
in her basic honesty. One Adventist, Delbert Hodder, a
pediatrician and teacher at the University of Connecticut,
has offered an altogether different explanation. When White
was nine years old she was hit in the head by a rock and
seriously injured. Hodder speculates that her visions were
the result of "partial-complex seizure," a malady related to
epilepsy.
Prodded by Rea, the church has been
forced to give ground. Last month, Ministry, its magazine
for clergy, conceded that White's use of "outside sources"
was "much more extensive" than Adventists have realized.
Admitted Ministry: "Sometimes she used material nearly word
for word without giving credit." Most shocking of all, "She
utilized the words of prior authors in describing words she
heard spoken while in vision. In a few instances, she uses
the writings of a 19th century source in quoting the words
of Christ or of an angelic guide."
Despite these admissions, Church
President Neal Wilson holds to the position that a prophet's
thoughts can be divinely inspired even though they are not
original. And loyal Adventists have taken to defending
White's plagiarism as acceptable practice, arguing that
parts of the Bible too were compiled from pre-existing
sources. The church's last General Conference, in 1980,
confirmed White as a latter-day prophet whose "writings are
a continuing and authoritative source of truth."
A full report on the church's
investigation of White's sources is due next year.
Meanwhile, in the second edition of his book Rea plans to
charge that White's last and most important works were
actually fabricated by Adventist pioneers when she was
senile. Whatever the outcome, Georgetown University Ethicist
Roy Branson, editor of Spectrum, an independent journal for
church liberals, says flatly that Adventists will no longer
be able to appeal to White as "the final authority on a
whole range of issues, including biblical and theological
interpretation and life-style." If so, the Seventh-day
Adventists would seem to have lost a resource more precious
than the millions that went down the drain. —By Richard N.
Ostling. Reported by Jim Castelli/Washington and Dick
Thompson/San Francisco
When
no one would answer my questions, I decided to put it all out of my
mind and quietly go my way. I stopped going to the Hillsboro SDA
church, and started going to a non-denominational church with my
second wife. I couldn't believe the difference. They studied the Bible
only.
When I was asked by the Hillsboro SDA pastor, Elder
Whitehead, if I wanted to have my name removed from the books, I
said, "why do you ask?" He said; they were cleaning up their
membership books, and my name had come up. He said; that the church
board meeting was in a week. I asked; if I had the right to be there
and speak for myself? He seemed surprised I would want to be.
He said, "yes, I guess you do."
So
I was there with all my questions and documentation. The Pastor
said, the Church handbook said, they had to let me speak for myself,
I was there to defend myself. He invited me up front. I asked them
my questions and showed them my documentation. They had never heard
of the things or read the documentation I was reading to them
before. They were shocked to say the least. They asked me questions
from 7:30 until midnight. I kept showing them all the documentation
to support my claims.
When Pastor
Whitehead asked. If I believed Ellen G. White was as inspired as any
other Bible writer. I said, "Of course not; after showing you all
this documentation do you?" The pastor had been wanting to
take a vote for a couple hours, as it was getting really late.
Everyone asked him to answer my questions. He said, he wished he
could, as he knew many people had the same questions I had, but he
didn't have the answers.
Oh! how he wished he hadn't called me. I'm sure that was a
board meeting he'll never forget. If you have come to the same
beliefs as I have, never give up with out a fight, it's not for you,
but for all the members that are asleep to the facts and
documentation. They simply have never seen or heard it before. It's
your responsibility to show them.
As it turns
out the leadership of the church didn't believe Ellen White was
inspired after she died. They met in 1919 to discuss the matter.
Read about here.
http://www.bible.ca/7-1919-sda-conference.htm
I still needed answers.
I
said, "To say Ellen White was the “Messenger of the Lord”
meant she was speaking for God Almighty. I couldn’t see that as
being any different than the Pope claiming to speak for God." Maybe
you can? I could not! To me it was blasphemy! I had many Godly
teachers. I was taught in SDA schools not to lie. I simply had
studied my way out of Adventism. I still haven't gotten any answers.
The
pastor asked me if I believed I had to be a member of the Seventh
Day Adventist church in order to be saved. I said, "No". He said,
"You all heard him, so lets take a vote". They didn't want to if I
still wanted to be a member. I said, "Look, thanks for letting me
talk. If any of you had been able to answer my questions, I would
still want to be a member. They voted to take my name off the books.
I said thanks, now I know God wants me to move on with my life.
Good-by and God bless you."
My friends
and classmates talked to me for another hour in the parking lot. It
was hard to say good-bye. I was forty three years old, yet I cried
all the way home. I have tears in my eyes just writing about it now
twenty six years later. It's not because I feel sorry for myself.
I'm sorry no one had the answers. I truly love my Adventist family,
classmates and friends. I want so much to see them in heaven.
I realized I would never get any answers
from the church, so the search for answers had to be my doing; no
one else could do it for me. I don't know why it took me so long to
realize that was, and is, the only answer for everyone. No one can
do it for you.
That's what this site is all about, but it's my
journey not yours. It's my hope that my journey will be of some help
to you, but you must take the journey on your own. God will guide
you into all "Truth". Be willing to follow Him where ever
that may be. You must put away all your preconceived "ideas"; your
bias. Put aside your Ellen White books for a while and study your
Bible only. It may take some getting use to. But the only real
Truth is in His word.
The coming of Christ is
near!
The
spirit of God is begging you to get ready. You must study your bible
like never before. Before you start reading this web site, please
turn off your television, get your Bible out and follow along. It
will take your full attention! Read every verse I quote, and read
the whole chapter before and after. You must get a clear
understanding. Never take my word for it or anyone else‘s. If I’m
wrong about all of this, I will die a lost man. I know that. What If
you are wrong?
You must decide, you must think for yourself. The
minister can’t do it for you. 3abn or the Hope channel can’t think
for you. You and you alone must decide. Your destiny is on the line.
Is the God you serve real or not? Can your God foretell the future?
If He can’t He’s not God! Can Ellen G. White foretell the future? If
not she is a false prophet and is not to be feared or believed. It’s
a test between her and God Almighty. You must make the choice. Whom
will you serve?
It’s the least of my worries what people will think of
me. But, God will hold you accountable for whom you worship. I’m no
writer! I’m not the smartest guy in the world either, but I can’t
sit by and not warn you of what’s ahead. I love the Lord God
Almighty with all my heart and soul. I stopped being a Seventh day
Adventist, and without knowing it, I became a Seven day Christian.
It’s kind of like an Amway salesmen, who can’t stop talking about
their products.
The
Lord is always on my mind. I can’t stop talking about His prophesies
and, dear friends of mine, God is about to fulfill every last one of
them. If you really believed that some one knew the future and the
future meant life or death to your friends, wouldn’t you tell them?
It’s all in His Word. It’s coming like a thief in the night! Please
wake up! Please, let me do my best to prove it to you. We are
to test the Prophets to see if they are of God. You can’t go wrong
by obeying Gods Word. The world is racing headlong into the greatest
time of trouble mankind has ever faced. I’m not the one saying it.
It’s in your Bible. I have listed some of the prophesies for you, in
the hope that you will see that God is real. He alone knows the
future.
He means what He says, and says what
He means!
WE CAN’T CHANGE IT!
More
than anything else, you who have never been outside the bounds of
the Adventist faith, need to know what other churches think of your
beliefs. I hope this website will inform you. I’ve written this
study in the form of questions. I have also stated my reason for
asking those questions. They are my reasons as I see it. I don’t
want you to take my reasons as the final word on the subject. You
must be able to give an answer to these questions on your own. There
are many texts in the bible, which I have not quoted, on the
subject. You must hunt for them to form your own answers. All I
would ask is that you use the bible as your main source for truth.
Read all the history, concordances, dictionaries and religious books
you want but only if they agree with the bible. We were taught that
Ellen G. White was as inspired as any other bible writer. She
claimed to be, the
lesser light,
helping us to understand the
Greater light
the bible. I now look at
her writings as a flashlight looking for the sun. Go directly to the
Greater Light.
From
my youth I have been asking questions. I remember asking dad where I
came from once and he told me to go ask mom. I did and she said I came
from her belly. I asked her how I got in there. I once asked dad why a
black calf had a white face. Dad told me it was because its mother was a
Hereford and its daddy was an Angus bull. I then asked if a black man
and white woman had a baby would the baby have a white face. Dad told me
I asked too many questions. Dad would get tired of me asking questions
he couldn’t answer and would say;
“IT’S
SO - BECAUSE I SAID IT'S SO.”
I asked, "But dad, why so?"
I
started asking my School Teachers, Sabbath School Teachers and Pastors
questions about our church. They would say;
"IT’S SO BECAUSE ELLEN WHITE SAID, IT’S SO."
I’m sorry that not good enough
anymore. So I asked the Biblical Research Inst., and the President of
the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventist himself. They won’t even
take the time to read my questions let alone answer them.
Most respond by wanting me to buy a book that Ellen White or someone
else wrote on the subject. I’ve have already read most of them. That was
my problem they were only trying to make the bible fit what Ellen White
had said. That's why the Biblical Research committee set up
"The Daniel Committee"
to try and make the Investigative Judgment biblical. Raymond Cottrell
was the leader, I would think you would want to read his last
sermon, before his death.
click here
http://www.jesusinstituteforum.org/AssetOrLiability.html
My closest friends, who have read my questions and my
reasons for asking them, respond as follows;
1.
Ron, you always took things too seriously, I never
believed that stuff. I do believe Adventist are the closest to the
Truth though. I believe the Sabbath. I’ll always be SDA.
2. I can’t answer your questions, I’ve never read
Josephus or The Coming Prince
etc. and I don’t have the time. Anyway, if it has nothing to do with
our salvation, why worry about it? I do believe we’re right about
the Sabbath.
3. The church doesn’t kick people out for not
believing EGW anymore. They have made many changes. You need to come
back, or you will be lost.
4.
Your Adventist heritage
should mean more to you. Why be so critical?
5.
You need
help with spelling and punctuation, other than that every Adventist
needs to read your booklet, it’s right on. Great job! From an
x-sda pastor, his website is;
http://www.exadventist.com/
That’s
about what I expected. The one thing most of you, as members, need
to worry about most is the fact that none of your leaders will even
try to answer any of the questions. They simply don’t respond. The
questions won’t go away; they are at the base of all the “unique”
teachings of Adventism. They must be answered. They are the pillars
of the SDA faith. They need not be, indeed they must not be, for
they are not biblical in anyway. They affect our view of the future.
Worse, they are contrary to the gospel.
The fact that we have claimed Ellen
White to be the “End Time Prophet” has made it impossible to change.
Yet she said, before her death,
“There
are many things we must learn
and many things we must unlearn.”
The
worst thing that happened to the church has been the internet.
Here’s your chance to make it work for the SDA church.
I still want
answers, if you can give them to me. Please do so, I‘ll put them on
this website. I’ll put your answers right below my answers. I
beg you to make it known to the members of the Adventist church.
They desperately need answers. You are not doing it for me, but for
them. Twenty years ago I asked the White Estates to please
send me a list of the prophesies, our end time prophet, Ellen
White had made that came true. A few years ago, they came out with
“Messenger of the Lord”.
Dwight Nelson sent me one for Christmas. Thanks again Dwight.
In it they list 82 visions she
had, out of over 2000 she claimed to have had. 82 out of 2000 isn’t
very good odds. Out of the 82, 13 have been already proven false. If
the questions I ask and my reasons for asking can not be answered,
chances are pretty good that;
NONE OF THE REST OF
HER PROPHECIES WILL COME TRUE EITHER.
Born to believe it all came from God
PILLARS OF
"SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTISM"
While a small boy I
remember sitting on the front row of a movie theater that the church
had rented to hold evangelistic meetings in.
(They didn’t want anyone to know it was SDA) Elder Gladden
was the preacher. I liked his cute little daughter Sharon. We sat on
the front row together and listened to her father. We may have been
in the third grade at the time. I know my folks never missed a
meeting. I liked that!
I’ll never forget the image of Daniel 2 with the head of
gold, the breast and arms of silver, thighs of brass and legs of
iron. Its feet and ten toes were of iron mixed with clay. The head
of gold was Babylon. The breast and arms of silver was Medo-Persia.
The thighs of brass were Greece, and the legs of iron were Rome. The
ten toes were the ten nations Rome was divided into after its fall.
He told us the two legs represented pagan and papal Rome.
A few years ago, I began thinking about the two legs, pagan and papal
Rome. They may have merged, but they didn’t split. Maybe it was western
Rome and eastern Rome that split into. One Pope ruled in Rome and one
ruled in Constantinople. The Eastern leg out lasted the Western leg by
nearly 700 years.
Those nations today
are all Muslim. Could they be the ten nations that are mentioned in Eze.
38 and 39?
You can read what Uriah Smith wrote "The Prophecies
of Daniel and Revelation" by Uriah Smith; left click on;
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/clt4/drrev9.htm
All of these kingdoms will still be
around when Christ comes the second time. All have come against
Israel in the past and will again in the last days. All will be destroyed at Christ coming. Today
they are Iraq, (Babylon) Iran, (Persia) Western Rome, (Catholic
Italy) and (The old Roman empires of the eastern leg),
Greece/Turkey/Egypt/Assyrian and all the rest of the Muslim nations.
Daniel 2:44.
And in
the days of these kings (Eze.38,39) shall the God of heaven set up a
kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall
not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and
consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45. Forasmuch as
thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without
hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the
brass, the
clay, the silver, and the
gold; the great God hath made known to
the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is
certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
They are the seven mountains of
Revelation 17:7-14.
7.
And the
angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will
tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast
that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten
horns.
8. The
beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and
they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names
were not written in the book of life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and
is not, and yet is.
9. And
here is the mind which hath wisdom.
The seven heads are
seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10.
And there are seven kings:
five are
fallen, and one is, and the
other is not yet come;
and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
1.
Egypt,
2.
Assyrian,
3.
Babylon,
4.
Persia,
5.
Greece,
had fallen by John's time.
Rome
is during John's vision and is later divided into two
legs 6.
Western Rome
Catholic's,
7.
Eastern Greek
Orthodox, overtaken by the Muslims that were defeated
in 1099 AD (deadly wound) 8.
Today's
Muslim world (deadly wound being healed).
11. And
the beast that was, (Eastern Rome Muslims from
636-1099) and is not, even he is the
eighth, (Today's Muslims) and is of the
seventh, and goeth into perdition.
The beast that was Greek Orthodox
Turkey was defeated by Islam, but becomes the 8th kingdom of the
Muslims in the end times when they become the ten kings
of Eze. 38,39.
12.
And
the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which
have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as
kings one hour with the beast.
At
the Gog and Magog battle.
13. These
have one mind, and shall give their power and strength
unto the beast.
Anti-christ
14. These
shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall
overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of
kings: and they that are with him are called, and
chosen, and faithful.
"
NEW "
JUST RELEASED
TO VIEW THIS IN
VIDEO FORM GO TO;
http://www.littlehornarchive.com/Media/Video/The_Video.htm
PLEASE WAIT TO DOWN LOAD.
AS
WALID SHOEBAT
SAYS, "ALL THE NATIONS, THAT ARE MENTIONED BY NAME
IN THE BIBLE, THAT
ARE CAST INTO THE PIT IN THE END TIMES ARE MUSLIN
TODAY". Watch;
1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvCk7C_ks4
2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW5Bqf1mPrk&feature=related
3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo5nEX73Z2w&feature=related
4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI8zkLLhnv8&feature=related
5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfncQ558wvE&feature=related
6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eggVSiDaKIk&feature=related
7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3a2TuBxApM&feature=related
8.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF43c-7SI_Y&feature=related
9.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULgLevSKh0&feature=related
10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZdGxtHuDyw&feature=related
11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDfjvCU3C8o&feature=related
12.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtquNNEO7Fw&feature=related
(Mark of the beast)
Listen to
Brigitte
Gabriel at the following;
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gBTEwATwU&feature=related
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sL54rHPwqA&feature=related
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYyu4vsZ6Y&feature=related
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgqXYUs3h7Q&feature=related
Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udib2U0_mPg&feature=related
Part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUmayTNRLg0&feature=related
"NEW"
OBSESSION THE MOVIE
A must see!
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bev054pNzI&feature=related
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bJE6bIiXps&feature=related
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J61r-NRHPtQ&feature=related
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jwL_GefwUE&feature=related
Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l17LmCEp1QI&feature=related
Part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYR5F3mbQ-4&feature=related
Part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXZpOG4VCI&feature=related
Part 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDPzPgkr4vk&feature=related
Part 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lioOCOalPao&feature=related
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ELLEN WHITES "END TIMES" VISIONS
I HAVE YET TO READ, OR HAVE ANYONE
SHOW ME, A TRULY SUPER-NATURAL WITHOUT DOUBT PROPHECY, THAT ELLEN
WHITE MADE THAT CAME TRUE. IF YOU CAN PLEASE SEND IT TO ME.
You may read SDA replies so far by left
clicking on the underlined below.
SDA Reply;
Doctor Rick Cabero from the Alaska Conference" I
answered you not as SDA Church or an Alaska Conference
representative. I answered you representing myself.
Two good SDA websites in support of Ellen
White visions;
http://www.seventh-day.org/testsofproph.htm and
http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/test_of_prophet.htm
My answer to
the above websites is;
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw35.htm
You be the judge.
Think of the impact it
would have made on all the people at that meeting if Elder Gladden
could have read, prophecy after prophecy, from the “End Time
Prophet”, Ellen White. (The meeting took place about 1950)
WW2 had just ended. So I think I have good
reason to ask, why didn't she have anything to say about WWI and
WWII?
WORLD WAR ONE
WORLD WAR TWO
click
on SDA answers below;
SDA Answers:
My name is Bob Pickle, and I reside near Halstad, MN.
ONE OF THE
BEST SITES TO DEFEND ELLEN WHITE IS;
http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/index.htm
THE BEST
DOCUMENTED SITE ABOUT ELLEN WHITE IS;
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/
Wouldn’t
an end time prophet have foretold about six million Jews being killed?
Why wouldn’t she have mentioned the Atom Bomb?
What if she had foretold about tanks and ships?
What if she had foretold about airplanes?
Why
didn’t she foretell about Missiles, Rockets and men going to the
moon?
Click;
SDA
ANSWER;
Just watch this 60 minute video if you want proof God made the
Universe
http://truthnet.org/forum/index.php?topic=171.msg809#msg809
Radar, Radio, TV, Computers,
What if she had said, Israel will be a nation again instead of
saying we replace the Jews and “Jerusalem would never be built up
again” EW. Pg. 75.
Photo
of Jerusalem taken in 1920
2005
Click;
What
Ellen White wrote;
If Ellen White had foretold about any of these things, think of the
millions who would have accepted her as a true prophet.
Common sense
should tell you she was not an "End Time Prophet"
What
we got instead was the 2300 days and Investigative Judgment. I had
to draw the whole 2300 days, chart of Daniel 8:14, while in Church
Doctrines class at Laurelwood Academy. I was good at art and got an
“A” on the chart. Now, I think back on it and realize, I didn’t have
a clue, as to why it was, as I had drawn it. If I had drawn it any
other way, I would have gotten an “F”. I had drawn it as I was told.
I didn’t even begin to think about it for myself. Most of us, even
today, don’t read the whole text. Why not? Well! You say, the text
is upon the screen, we don’t have the time to read the whole text.
Right you are! There’s a reason for that today. In years past, it
wasn’t so clear; many SDA preachers thought they were giving us the
truth.
Not anymore.
Most Adventist scholars, teachers, and preachers today know full
well they are not telling you the truth. To prove it ask them to
answer these questions.
Laurelwood Academy, Mr. Holmes holding chart
Famous
1844 chart
We need to take a closer look at this chart again later. Okay?
Now after all of these years I
have a lot of questions about this chart, and the whole 1844 belief.
In this site are my questions. These questions are designed to make
you think about your beliefs.
No one has the right to question another
persons belief if they can't state their REASON FOR ASKING THE
QUESTION.
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2005 Ellen White Summit
TODAY'S ADVENTIST CHURCHES
