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My name is Ronald Robert Parmele. I’m 69 years old. I am not a Preacher, Teacher or Prophet. I’m just an, imperfect, old warn out guy who loves the Adventist people. I was raised a fourth Generation Seventh Day Adventist, on both sides of my family. I only went to Adventist schools. I managed Academy Industries for nearly ten years. I was baptized into the truth, was schooled in the truth, married in the truth, schooled my four children in the truth. I planned to die in the truth, so help me God. I was kicked out of the truth at the Hillsboro, Oregon, Seventh Day Adventist church in 1982, because they no longer believed I was in the truth.

I was in the upstairs bedroom where I was told, by the guide that her angel had stood, right there by that table, and guided her hand as she wrote The Great Controversy because she only had a 3rd grade education.

I have been at Ellen White's home near Pacific Union College (where my daughter was going to college to become a bible-worker). I saw where they rolled Ellen White out on the balcony in her wheel chair so she could get the sunshine before she died.

I went to the graveyard in Battle Creek to see where the White family had been buried. To me it was holy ground. I gloried in it all.

We were the Remnant Church, God's Chosen People. All other churches were Babylon. I was so proud. We had the Seal of God (Sabbath) and the Testimonies of Jesus (Ellen White). We had the "Truth".

I had seen the homestead of my great grandfather near Battle Creek. I saw Cedar Lake Academy where my mothers father had gone to school. I even saw the two story outhouse.

I saw the old Battle Creek Sanitarium, then a government building of some kind.

Interview between Elder G. W. Amadon, Elder A. C. Bourdeau, and Dr. John Harvey Kellogg; http://www.ex-sda.com/john.htm

I had taken a tour of the Kellogg Cereal factory, I went to the Dime Tabernacle church and Camp-meeting at Lansing Michgan where I met the remaining members of my Adventist grandfather's Willis family (my mothers father). I was truly blessed to have had such a great heritage. I was at peace. If only I had not started to study!

I know many of you are going to think I'm bitter, over my past relationship, with the church. I'm not! I had the best parents in the world. I loved everyone of my teachers, I loved my Academy years. My classmates are the dearest friends I have. I love my heritage. I would not have taken the time to write about it on this site if I was not proud of it. I know that they all believed we were in the only true church. But, I had to know for sure. I was afraid at first. I had heard and read all the condemnation that Ellen White and the church leaders heaped on all those that dared to question them or Ellen White. I had studied religion all of my life, it left me high and dry. I wasn't happy, I wasn't sure I'd be saved. If Adventism wasn't right nothing else was. If you feel that way. Please before you go any farther watch this video;

It took 28 years to gain the nerve to publish this material. I'm an old man now and time is running out, I don't have another 28 years. You need to know Christ is coming soon. You need to know that God loves you, that His promises are sure.

I didn't know how to study any other way than to start with the writings of Ellen White and the church so I bought nearly all her books, the small thick Spiritual Gifts books, Early Writings, all nine of her Testimonies', a full set of the conflict series, a lot of the compilations of her books and a full set of the Commentaries. I had all three of her Great Controversy books. It began to bother me that she had changed them. Why would she need to if her angel was by her side guiding her hand as she wrote? I found an old copy of D.M.Canrights book you can get it online free here;

I now knew which historical documents, to ask the White Estates for. After I told them I was willing to take them to court to get them, they started sending me a few. One day I got a call from a Mr. Olson, (not the Mr. Olson of the White Estates). This guy was not an Adventist. He told me, as a young man, Ballenger and he were good friends and Ballenger's wife had given him Ballenger's files after he died. He said, the White Estates had wanted to buy them for years, but he would never sell them to the White Estates because they would destroy them. He was 81 years old, at the time he called me. Someone from the White Estates had to have told him I was looking for old documents and that I may want to buy them. I asked if someone from White Estates had told him, he said yes but wouldn't tell me who it was.

He sold me the Ballenger files. They contained a lot of old letters and the earliest Ellen White booklets etc. I read them all night long for a week. You can get them all, word for word, on the internet now for free at;

It would be a mistake for you to make these sites, or the people who have put them up the problem. It's the documentation that they present that needs to be questioned and answered by the church. That's the purpose of this site. You, as members, need to understand what to ask of your leaders. What makes this site different is the fact that I have written my reasons for asking the questions. You need your own reasons.

After reading all the documentation and all the early booklets she wrote, I now knew the changes they made in her writings and all the failed prophecies she had made. I also understood why the church was hiding them.

After listening to a tape that a church member had given me. I went to see Walter Rae, at Walla Walla College one weekend. At the last minute the college was told not to let him speak, so a public school was rented and all the students and most of the faculty went over there. I later was able to buy a set of nine cassette tapes of the meeting he had with the General Conf. Committee that met with him to see his evidence that Ellen White copied, they already knew she did, but not to the extent Walter had found. Why had they not told us?

They voted that Walter Rae be given a leave of absence from his church to study the "Desire of Ages" and to put his work on the "Great Controversy" into a more professional form and someone be hired to help him. They voted to no longer hide it under the carpet but make it known to the members. That did not happen. Walter was fired.

The man they hired to study the "Desire Of Ages" was Fred Veltman, they thought they could control him so the outcome would show that Ellen White didn't copy that book. You need to decide for yourself by reading the report. Go to;

"The Truth About The White Lie" by Ellen G. White Estate First published August 1982. Revised January 1999.

Pastors can't agree; Samuele Bacchiocchi, Ph. D. Retired Professor of Theology, Andrews University;

We had been taught that all of her prophecies had come true, or soon would, that she had written all of her books as her angel guided her hand. That her helpers only corrected her spelling and punctuation. I needed answers.

About this time the Dr. Davenport 29 million dollar bankruptcy against the church was going on. My accountant worked for the firm that audited the North Pacific Union's books each year. He showed me what was going on from the 1980 Financial statement. They had been hiding click on; "THE DAVENPORT LOANS" as an asset in the "Agency and Demand Fund". Also the Oregon Conference Attorney was a member of the Gaston church and a friend of mine. He told me that 1/2 million dollars from the "Tithe Reserve Fund" had been used in building the new Oregon Conference office building. They had loaned Davenport the building fund with the promise he would pay it back when they needed it. He went bankrupt before he paid it back so they had to use the tithe reserve fund to pay the bills and keep building. They simply exchanged the Tithe fund for a non-tithe fund and gave it to Davenport claiming no tithe funds were used. The money had not been paid back at the time they were saying no tithe funds had been used. I had gotten a list of all the people who had invested in Dr. Davenport and the huge percentages they had been repaid for their personal investments. It read like a Who's Who in Adventist Leadership clear up to the General Conference President. For more on the aftermath go here; http://www.advmca.org/articles/Exchange%20with%20GC.htm

You can read the manuscript of a book, written by Walter Rea about it. The book was never published as part of a deal made with Walter Rae to get his retirement - I believe. Walter sent me a copy of the manuscript, which was later lost in the mail after 9/11. The book was called; "Pirates of Privilege" you can read a poorly scanned copy of it now on the internet for free at:

When Desmond Ford was fired for not believing in the Investigative Judgment.

To understand what was going on at the time listen to the videos of Walter Rae and Desmond Ford being interviewed on the The John Ankerberg Show at;

All we were getting from, The Leadership, was God told Ellen White which stuff to copy and no tithe funds were taken and we needed to pay a double tithe for a few years.

When no one would answer my questions, I decided to put it all out of my mind and quietly go my way. I stopped going to the Hillsboro SDA church, and started going to a non-denominational church with my second wife. I couldn't believe the difference. They studied the Bible only.

When I was asked by the Hillsboro SDA pastor, Elder Whitehead, if I wanted to have my name removed from the books, I said, "why do you ask?" He said; they were cleaning up their membership books, and my name had come up. He said; that the church board meeting was in a week. I asked; if I had the right to be there and speak for myself? He seemed surprised I would want to be. He said, "yes, I guess you do."

So I was there with all my questions and documentation. The Pastor said, the Church handbook said, they had to let me speak for myself, I was there to defend myself. He invited me up front. I asked them my questions and showed them my documentation. They had never heard of the things or read the documentation I was reading to them before. They were shocked to say the least. They asked me questions from 7:30 until midnight. I kept showing them all the documentation to support my claims.

When Pastor Whitehead asked. If I believed Ellen G. White was as inspired as any other Bible writer. I said, "Of course not; after showing you all this documentation do you?" The pastor had been wanting to take a vote for a couple hours, as it was getting really late. Everyone asked him to answer my questions. He said, he wished he could, as he knew many people had the same questions I had, but he didn't have the answers. Oh! how he wished he hadn't called me. I'm sure that was a board meeting he'll never forget. If you have come to the same beliefs as I have, never give up with out a fight, it's not for you, but for all the members that are asleep to the facts and documentation. They simply have never seen or heard it before. It's your responsibility to show them.

As it turns out the leadership of the church didn't believe Ellen White was inspired after she died. They met in 1919 to discuss the matter. Read about here.

I said, "To say Ellen White was the “Messenger of the Lord” meant she was speaking for God Almighty. I couldn’t see that as being any different than the Pope claiming to speak for God." Maybe you can? I could not! To me it was blasphemy! I had many Godly teachers. I was taught in SDA schools not to lie. I simply had studied my way out of Adventism. I still haven't gotten any answers.

The pastor asked me if I believed I had to be a member of the Seventh Day Adventist church in order to be saved. I said, "No". He said, "You all heard him, so lets take a vote". They didn't want to if I still wanted to be a member. I said, "Look, thanks for letting me talk. If any of you had been able to answer my questions, I would still want to be a member. They voted to take my name off the books. I said thanks, now I know God wants me to move on with my life. Good-by and God bless you."

My friends and classmates talked to me for another hour in the parking lot. It was hard to say good-bye. I was forty three years old, yet I cried all the way home. I have tears in my eyes just writing about it now twenty six years later. It's not because I feel sorry for myself. I'm sorry no one had the answers. I truly love my Adventist family, classmates and friends. I want so much to see them in heaven.

I realized I would never get any answers from the church, so the search for answers had to be my doing; no one else could do it for me. I don't know why it took me so long to realize that was, and is, the only answer for everyone. No one can do it for you.

That's what this site is all about, but it's my journey not yours. It's my hope that my journey will be of some help to you, but you must take the journey on your own. God will guide you into all "Truth". Be willing to follow Him where ever that may be. You must put away all your preconceived "ideas"; your bias. Put aside your Ellen White books for a while and study your Bible only. It may take some getting use to. But the only real Truth is in His word.

The spirit of God is begging you to get ready. You must study your bible like never before. Before you start reading this web site, please turn off your television, get your Bible out and follow along. It will take your full attention! Read every verse I quote, and read the whole chapter before and after. You must get a clear understanding. Never take my word for it or anyone else‘s. If I’m wrong about all of this, I will die a lost man. I know that. What If you are wrong?

You must decide, you must think for yourself. The minister can’t do it for you. 3abn or the Hope channel can’t think for you. You and you alone must decide. Your destiny is on the line. Is the God you serve real or not? Can your God foretell the future? If He can’t He’s not God! Can Ellen G. White foretell the future? If not she is a false prophet and is not to be feared or believed. It’s a test between her and God Almighty. You must make the choice. Whom will you serve?

It’s the least of my worries what people will think of me. But, God will hold you accountable for whom you worship. I’m no writer! I’m not the smartest guy in the world either, but I can’t sit by and not warn you of what’s ahead. I love the Lord God Almighty with all my heart and soul. I stopped being a Seventh day Adventist, and without knowing it, I became a Seven day Christian. It’s kind of like an Amway salesmen, who can’t stop talking about their products.

The Lord is always on my mind. I can’t stop talking about His prophesies and, dear friends of mine, God is about to fulfill every last one of them. If you really believed that some one knew the future and the future meant life or death to your friends, wouldn’t you tell them? It’s all in His Word. It’s coming like a thief in the night! Please wake up! Please, let me do my best to prove it to you. We are to test the Prophets to see if they are of God. You can’t go wrong by obeying Gods Word. The world is racing headlong into the greatest time of trouble mankind has ever faced. I’m not the one saying it. It’s in your Bible. I have listed some of the prophesies for you, in the hope that you will see that God is real. He alone knows the future.

More than anything else, you who have never been outside the bounds of the Adventist faith, need to know what other churches think of your beliefs. I hope this website will inform you. I’ve written this study in the form of questions. I have also stated my reason for asking those questions. They are my reasons as I see it. I don’t want you to take my reasons as the final word on the subject. You must be able to give an answer to these questions on your own. There are many texts in the bible, which I have not quoted, on the subject. You must hunt for them to form your own answers. All I would ask is that you use the bible as your main source for truth. Read all the history, concordances, dictionaries and religious books you want but only if they agree with the bible. We were taught that Ellen G. White was as inspired as any other bible writer. She claimed to be, the lesser light, helping us to understand the Greater light the bible. I now look at her writings as a flashlight looking for the sun. Go directly to the Greater Light.

From my youth I have been asking questions. I remember asking dad where I came from once and he told me to go ask mom. I did and she said I came from her belly. I asked her how I got in there. I once asked dad why a black calf had a white face. Dad told me it was because its mother was a Hereford and its daddy was an Angus bull. I then asked if a black man and white woman had a baby would the baby have a white face. Dad told me I asked too many questions. Dad would get tired of me asking questions he couldn’t answer and would say; “IT’S SO - BECAUSE I SAID IT'S SO.” I asked, "But dad, why so?"

I started asking my School Teachers, Sabbath School Teachers and Pastors questions about our church. They would say; "IT’S SO BECAUSE ELLEN WHITE SAID, IT’S SO." I’m sorry that not good enough anymore. So I asked the Biblical Research Inst., and the President of the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventist himself. They won’t even take the time to read my questions let alone answer them.

Most respond by wanting me to buy a book that Ellen White or someone else wrote on the subject. I’ve have already read most of them. That was my problem they were only trying to make the bible fit what Ellen White had said. That's why the Biblical Research committee set up "The Daniel Committee" to try and make the Investigative Judgment biblical. Raymond Cottrell was the leader, I would think you would want to read his last sermon, before his death.

My closest friends, who have read my questions and my reasons for asking them, respond as follows;

1. Ron, you always took things too seriously, I never believed that stuff. I do believe Adventist are the closest to the Truth though. I believe the Sabbath. I’ll always be SDA.

2. I can’t answer your questions, I’ve never read Josephus or The Coming Prince etc. and I don’t have the time. Anyway, if it has nothing to do with our salvation, why worry about it? I do believe we’re right about the Sabbath.

3. The church doesn’t kick people out for not believing EGW anymore. They have made many changes. You need to come back, or you will be lost.

5. You need help with spelling and punctuation, other than that every Adventist needs to read your booklet, it’s right on. Great job! From an x-sda pastor, his website is;

That’s about what I expected. The one thing most of you, as members, need to worry about most is the fact that none of your leaders will even try to answer any of the questions. They simply don’t respond. The questions won’t go away; they are at the base of all the “unique” teachings of Adventism. They must be answered. They are the pillars of the SDA faith. They need not be, indeed they must not be, for they are not biblical in anyway. They affect our view of the future. Worse, they are contrary to the gospel.

The fact that we have claimed Ellen White to be the “End Time Prophet” has made it impossible to change. Yet she said, before her death,

The worst thing that happened to the church has been the internet. Here’s your chance to make it work for the SDA church.

I still want answers, if you can give them to me. Please do so, I‘ll put them on this website. I’ll put your answers right below my answers. I beg you to make it known to the members of the Adventist church. They desperately need answers. You are not doing it for me, but for them. Twenty years ago I asked the White Estates to please send me a list of the prophesies, our end time prophet, Ellen White had made that came true. A few years ago, they came out with “Messenger of the Lord”. In it they list 82 visions she had, out of over 2000 she claimed to have had. 82 out of 2000 isn’t very good odds. Out of the 82, 13 have been already proven false. If the questions I ask and my reasons for asking can not be answered, chances are pretty good that; NONE OF THE REST OF HER PROPHECIES WILL COME TRUE EITHER.

While a small boy I remember sitting on the front row of a movie theater that the church had rented to hold evangelistic meetings in. (They didn’t want anyone to know it was SDA) Elder Gladden was the preacher. I liked his cute little daughter Sharon. We sat on the front row together and listened to her father. We may have been in the third grade at the time. I know my folks never missed a meeting. I liked that!

I’ll never forget the image of Daniel 2 with the head of gold, the breast and arms of silver, thighs of brass and legs of iron. Its feet and ten toes were of iron mixed with clay. The head of gold was Babylon. The breast and arms of silver was Medo-Persia. The thighs of brass were Greece, and the legs of iron were Rome. The ten toes were the ten nations Rome was divided into after its fall. He told us the two legs represented pagan and papal Rome.

A few years ago, I began thinking about the two legs, pagan and papal Rome. They may have merged, but they didn’t split. Maybe it was western Rome and eastern Rome that split into. One Pope ruled in Rome and one ruled in Constantinople. The Eastern leg out lasted the Western leg by nearly 700 years. Those nations today are all Muslim. Could they be the ten nations that are mentioned in Eze. 38 and 39?

All of these kingdoms will still be around when Christ comes the second time. All have come against Israel in the past and will again in the last days. All will be destroyed at Christ coming. Today they are Iraq, (Babylon) Iran, (Persia) Western Rome, (Catholic Italy) and (The old Roman empires of the eastern leg), Greece/Turkey/Egypt/Assyrian and all the rest of the Muslim nations.

Daniel 2:44. And in the days of these kings (Eze.38,39) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

They are the seven mountains of Revelation 17:7-14.

7. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9. And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

1. Egypt, 2. Assyrian, 3. Babylon, 4. Persia, 5. Greece, had fallen by John's time. Rome is during John's vision and is later divided into two legs 6. Western Rome Catholic's, 7. Eastern Greek Orthodox, overtaken by the Muslims that were defeated in 1099 AD (deadly wound) 8. Today's Muslim world (deadly wound being healed).

11. And the beast that was, (Eastern Rome Muslims from 636-1099) and is not, even he is the eighth, (Today's Muslims) and is of the seventh, and goeth into perdition.

The beast that was Greek Orthodox Turkey was defeated by Islam, but becomes the 8th kingdom of the Muslims in the end times when they become the ten kings of Eze. 38,39.

12. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. At the Gog and Magog battle.

13. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Anti-christ

14. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Watch; Walid Shoebat under question 24.

Listen; Brigitte Gabriel http://www.realradioactive.org/special_guest/GSX391.mp3

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ELLEN WHITES "END TIMES" VISIONS

I HAVE YET TO READ, OR HAVE ANYONE SHOW ME, A TRULY SUPER-NATURAL WITHOUT DOUBT PROPHECY, THAT ELLEN WHITE MADE THAT CAME TRUE. IF YOU CAN PLEASE SEND IT TO ME.

SDA Reply; Doctor Rick Cabero from the Alaska Conference" I answered you not as SDA Church or an Alaska Conference representative. I answered you representing myself.

Think of the impact it would have made on all the people at that meeting if Elder Gladden could have read, prophecy after prophecy, from the “End Time Prophet”, Ellen White. WW2 had just ended. So I think I have good reason to ask, why didn't she have anything to say about WWI and WWII?

Wouldn’t an end time prophet have foretold about six million Jews being killed?

Why didn’t she foretell about Missiles, Rockets and men going to the moon?

What if she had said, Israel will be a nation again instead of saying we replace the Jews and “Jerusalem would never be built up again” EW. Pg. 75.

If Ellen White had foretold about any of these things, think of the millions who would have accepted her as a true prophet. Common sense should tell you she was not an "End Time Prophet"

What we got instead was the 2300 days and Investigative Judgment. I had to draw the whole 2300 days, chart of Daniel 8:14, while in Church Doctrines class at Laurelwood Academy. I was good at art and got an “A” on the chart. Now, I think back on it and realize, I didn’t have a clue, as to why it was, as I had drawn it. If I had drawn it any other way, I would have gotten an “F”. I had drawn it as I was told. I didn’t even begin to think about it for myself. Most of us, even today, don’t read the whole text. Why not? Well! You say, the text is upon the screen, we don’t have the time to read the whole text. Right you are! There’s a reason for that today. In years past, it wasn’t so clear; many SDA preachers thought they were giving us the truth. Not anymore. Most Adventist scholars, teachers, and preachers today know full well they are not telling you the truth. To prove it ask them to answer these questions.

Now after all of these years I have a lot of questions about this chart, and the whole 1844 belief. In this site are my questions. These questions are designed to make you think about your beliefs. No one has the right to question another persons belief if they can't state their REASON FOR ASKING THE QUESTION.

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Prescott Letter to W.C. White; http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/prescot2.htm

http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/refute2.htm